Sanders has become one of on-chain music’s most outspoken champions, and I wrote a piece about the ways in which he and Avenged Sevenfold are using web3 to cultivate their community, based on a previous conversation we had — which you can read on Decential’s website — but for this conversation we dived into other things: the human voice, psychedelics and the limits of speech, the origins of Avenged Sevenfold and writing a record about the positivity of meaningless, and embracing the beauty of our impermanence to find joy in the short time we have on this earth.